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		<title>By: Arizona SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-326616</link>
		<dc:creator>Arizona SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could not agree more with this post! You have hit the nail on the head and will be referencing your material in a post of my own on this matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more with this post! You have hit the nail on the head and will be referencing your material in a post of my own on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Abernethy</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-284265</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Abernethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t mind clients who are  relatively ignorant of SEO - or those who know a bit - as  long as they are prepared to listen and hopefully take advice!

 We feel we should be able to explain what we are doing simply so that clients feel still in command as well as getting good value. 

But yes, we get our fair share of  shall we say &#039;challenging&#039; clients. I wonder how some of them treat doctors. (You WILL  fix my son&#039;s broken leg and he WILL  win his football match at the weekend....?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t mind clients who are  relatively ignorant of SEO &#8211; or those who know a bit &#8211; as  long as they are prepared to listen and hopefully take advice!</p>
<p> We feel we should be able to explain what we are doing simply so that clients feel still in command as well as getting good value. </p>
<p>But yes, we get our fair share of  shall we say &#8216;challenging&#8217; clients. I wonder how some of them treat doctors. (You WILL  fix my son&#8217;s broken leg and he WILL  win his football match at the weekend&#8230;.?)</p>
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		<title>By: SEO And Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEO And Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] And Business  Great article by Nick Stamoulis of Brick [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And Business  Great article by Nick Stamoulis of Brick [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-283342</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Beamer,

Thanks for reading and sharing your great thoughts!

Here is a heated discussion that I wrote about SEO guarantees:
http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/2010/04/23/guarantees/

Take Care!
Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beamer,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and sharing your great thoughts!</p>
<p>Here is a heated discussion that I wrote about SEO guarantees:<br />
<a href="http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/2010/04/23/guarantees/" rel="nofollow">http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/2010/04/23/guarantees/</a></p>
<p>Take Care!<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Currie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having been on both sides of the table I am always surprised at how short many SEO companies specification discussions are and how hard it is to get clients to pay attention to anything longer than twenty minutes.

Building solid content will get you ranked. Building links will get you ranked. Sitemaps, on-page optimization, clever key words and research will all help; but none of it happens overnight.

The web is a very big place. The site I am working on is spidered daily; but I don&#039;t expect any significant effects for another couple of months. It is only six months old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been on both sides of the table I am always surprised at how short many SEO companies specification discussions are and how hard it is to get clients to pay attention to anything longer than twenty minutes.</p>
<p>Building solid content will get you ranked. Building links will get you ranked. Sitemaps, on-page optimization, clever key words and research will all help; but none of it happens overnight.</p>
<p>The web is a very big place. The site I am working on is spidered daily; but I don&#8217;t expect any significant effects for another couple of months. It is only six months old.</p>
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		<title>By: Beamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right on with this, Nick.  When potential clients call me and complain about the last SEO company they dealt with, I DO NOT take them on.

The reason being is that I&#039;m only hearing one side of the story, the complaining client.  I never get to hear the side of the SEO company, which I&#039;m sure  differs from the complainer.  My bet is the complainer was a complete a$$hole and made unreasonable demands.  

SEO companies get a bad rap from these types of clients who don&#039;t know SEO from a hole in the wall. I do not believe the old adage &quot;The customer is always right.&quot;

You are also correct about contacting people to sell optimization services.  Admittedly, I&#039;m not a salesman.  I let them come to me!  Then I can calmly explain my services.  And the first time they utter the word &quot;guarantee&quot;, I immediately put that fire OUT!

It&#039;s almost hilarious when they say &quot;So you guarantee bla bla bla?&quot;   &quot;Nope&quot;, I say. &quot;I don&#039;t guarantee a thing.&quot;  I just show them clients listings and where they are positioned. This speaks volumes.

NO WHERE on my site is the word &quot;guarantee&quot; yet they have the nerve to ask about it as if it is there is big red block letters.

OH! And lets not mention the client who tried to do his own Google maps listing, screwed it up to high heaven (merged listing nightmare, duplicate listings. I don&#039;t take them as clients either) then expect YOU to clean it up.  That&#039;s why I check EVERYTHING before accepting them as clients and taking their money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right on with this, Nick.  When potential clients call me and complain about the last SEO company they dealt with, I DO NOT take them on.</p>
<p>The reason being is that I&#8217;m only hearing one side of the story, the complaining client.  I never get to hear the side of the SEO company, which I&#8217;m sure  differs from the complainer.  My bet is the complainer was a complete a$$hole and made unreasonable demands.  </p>
<p>SEO companies get a bad rap from these types of clients who don&#8217;t know SEO from a hole in the wall. I do not believe the old adage &#8220;The customer is always right.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are also correct about contacting people to sell optimization services.  Admittedly, I&#8217;m not a salesman.  I let them come to me!  Then I can calmly explain my services.  And the first time they utter the word &#8220;guarantee&#8221;, I immediately put that fire OUT!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost hilarious when they say &#8220;So you guarantee bla bla bla?&#8221;   &#8220;Nope&#8221;, I say. &#8220;I don&#8217;t guarantee a thing.&#8221;  I just show them clients listings and where they are positioned. This speaks volumes.</p>
<p>NO WHERE on my site is the word &#8220;guarantee&#8221; yet they have the nerve to ask about it as if it is there is big red block letters.</p>
<p>OH! And lets not mention the client who tried to do his own Google maps listing, screwed it up to high heaven (merged listing nightmare, duplicate listings. I don&#8217;t take them as clients either) then expect YOU to clean it up.  That&#8217;s why I check EVERYTHING before accepting them as clients and taking their money.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-282822</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rebecca,

Thanks for reading and your question.

In my opinion and from my experience any SEO firm that send unsolicited emails, phone calls, etc for SEO services might not provide the best quality of service.  Great SEO people don&#039;t need to cold call for their services, they can get business through referral and various inbound marketing efforts (SEO, social media, PPC, etc.)

Hi Mark,

Great resource, thanks for sharing it with our readers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rebecca,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading and your question.</p>
<p>In my opinion and from my experience any SEO firm that send unsolicited emails, phone calls, etc for SEO services might not provide the best quality of service.  Great SEO people don&#8217;t need to cold call for their services, they can get business through referral and various inbound marketing efforts (SEO, social media, PPC, etc.)</p>
<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Great resource, thanks for sharing it with our readers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Shaer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Shaer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post and some really helpful comments too.  Thanks guys.  

I like what Gary said about managing expectations and educating the client particularly.  I too am quite new to this and sometimes what seems like common sense to me is seen rather differently by the client who is still using the traditional old outbound marketing methods and doesnt really understand how the &#039;interweb&#039; works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and some really helpful comments too.  Thanks guys.  </p>
<p>I like what Gary said about managing expectations and educating the client particularly.  I too am quite new to this and sometimes what seems like common sense to me is seen rather differently by the client who is still using the traditional old outbound marketing methods and doesnt really understand how the &#8216;interweb&#8217; works.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sprague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Sprague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep - lots of companies view SEO as a silver bullet. Unfortunately a lot of firms I talk to think they have an SEO problem - but in fact they have a crappy website problem, among others. I recently wrote an article about how people should really think about SEO withing the context of a complete website development strategy - I have my potential clients read the following before I sit down with them.

http://marksprague.wordpress.com/about/its-easy-to-fail-at-seo/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; lots of companies view SEO as a silver bullet. Unfortunately a lot of firms I talk to think they have an SEO problem &#8211; but in fact they have a crappy website problem, among others. I recently wrote an article about how people should really think about SEO withing the context of a complete website development strategy &#8211; I have my potential clients read the following before I sit down with them.</p>
<p><a href="http://marksprague.wordpress.com/about/its-easy-to-fail-at-seo/" rel="nofollow">http://marksprague.wordpress.com/about/its-easy-to-fail-at-seo/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Zawlocki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Zawlocki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My question is what if your business and web site developers don&#039;t know how to position the business and don&#039;t know which keywords would be the most applicable????  What next?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is what if your business and web site developers don&#8217;t know how to position the business and don&#8217;t know which keywords would be the most applicable????  What next?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-282780</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding this sentence: &quot;You contacted us for help not the other way around.&quot; What&#039;s to be said about the SEO companies that DO contact businesses and try to persuade them to use their services? Is that an indication of the quality of service you might receive?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding this sentence: &#8220;You contacted us for help not the other way around.&#8221; What&#8217;s to be said about the SEO companies that DO contact businesses and try to persuade them to use their services? Is that an indication of the quality of service you might receive?</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-282763</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bharati Ahuja ... can your client say &#039;JC Penny&#039; ... link farming not the way to go ..

TO EVERYONE ... great comments ... very much enjoyed the list Nick ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bharati Ahuja &#8230; can your client say &#8216;JC Penny&#8217; &#8230; link farming not the way to go ..</p>
<p>TO EVERYONE &#8230; great comments &#8230; very much enjoyed the list Nick &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about the client who wants to achieve results but lacks anything more than a paragraph of content for their site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the client who wants to achieve results but lacks anything more than a paragraph of content for their site.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-282687</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Bharati for reading and sharing your thoughts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bharati for reading and sharing your thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Bharati Ahuja</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/bad-seo/comment-page-1/#comment-282650</link>
		<dc:creator>Bharati Ahuja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very good shift of attention from the SEOs to the client.

I&#039;ll site a classic example of a combination of Trait #1 and Trait #2. 

Once I had just discussed the SEO deliverables , our approach and what the whole SEO campaign shall include, he goes ahead and tells me - please don&#039;t waste your time on all this on-page , off page stuff, XML sitemaps, etc.

Just give me the rankings , keywords and 1000s of links ASAP thats it. 

Now to din the right meaning of SEO in such a person&#039;s head is a real challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good shift of attention from the SEOs to the client.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll site a classic example of a combination of Trait #1 and Trait #2. </p>
<p>Once I had just discussed the SEO deliverables , our approach and what the whole SEO campaign shall include, he goes ahead and tells me &#8211; please don&#8217;t waste your time on all this on-page , off page stuff, XML sitemaps, etc.</p>
<p>Just give me the rankings , keywords and 1000s of links ASAP thats it. </p>
<p>Now to din the right meaning of SEO in such a person&#8217;s head is a real challenge.</p>
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