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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 12:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks John for reading and for sharing your great story!  :)

Take Care,
Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John for reading and for sharing your great story!  <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Take Care,<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 18:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shame on me — promoting my writing ability and then posting with improper spelling. *sigh* Long day, my apologies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame on me — promoting my writing ability and then posting with improper spelling. *sigh* Long day, my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How true. Having been underemployed for the past few years, and trying to keep up on the sweeping changes due to social media&#039;s effects on marketing, I decided to attend a local social media club in my locality. 

My first visit to a club event made me realize the club had ALL kinds of members - from so-called &#039;experts&#039; (really? The field hasn&#039;t been around all that long) to half-novices like myself genuinely looking to learn, grow, and network for potential jobs.

First event, some Little Ms. Thing-Thing told me snootily that &quot;I should not even try&quot; and that she charges &quot;$300 per hour&quot; to run Facebook fan pages for clients. Several others at the event also had an air of haughtiness, and a lack of willingness to discuss best practices or places where one my go and learn. So ... why are we at a meeting for professionals?

More recently, I went to another meeting that was blessed by some high-level speakers from a diverse range of professionals. The forum was well done.

But once again, I sat next to another young woman. Our conversation started off well enough — we even discovered we had worked across the hall from one another at a large firm where I had contracted in to write web content. 

Oddly, as we discussed social media her mood turned more and more aloof and she did that thing I despise from Gen-Ys ... typing away on her cell phone, not looking at me, and making bored conversation.

Excuse me! Look kid, I&#039;ve done marketing for longer than you&#039;ve been able to drive. At least say, &quot;Excuse me ... I have some work to catch up on.&quot; It&#039;s called manners. Try it sometime.

(Perhaps they thought I was hitting on them? Beats me — the big ring on my finger should have been a clue. Besides, bony and rude is not my style).

But aside from the rudeness, it was the utter arrogance or both experiences that hit me. Sorry if I am still learning and asking questions! How about being a professional and gracing me with your knowledge and wisdom? Don&#039;t assume because I am in my 40s I do not &quot;get it.&quot; I certainly need to, in order to hold onto jobs today. 

And I sure as hell know more about marketing and writing than you do, pumpkin.

So folks, let&#039;s please show some courtesy to each other. Yes, we may on occasion compete with one another. But we are all in this together — to make a living and do the best work for our clients and companies.

The rise of the digital age should not mean decorum, manners and professional courtesy are dead. In fact, we need those traits more than ever if we are all to prosper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How true. Having been underemployed for the past few years, and trying to keep up on the sweeping changes due to social media&#8217;s effects on marketing, I decided to attend a local social media club in my locality. </p>
<p>My first visit to a club event made me realize the club had ALL kinds of members &#8211; from so-called &#8216;experts&#8217; (really? The field hasn&#8217;t been around all that long) to half-novices like myself genuinely looking to learn, grow, and network for potential jobs.</p>
<p>First event, some Little Ms. Thing-Thing told me snootily that &#8220;I should not even try&#8221; and that she charges &#8220;$300 per hour&#8221; to run Facebook fan pages for clients. Several others at the event also had an air of haughtiness, and a lack of willingness to discuss best practices or places where one my go and learn. So &#8230; why are we at a meeting for professionals?</p>
<p>More recently, I went to another meeting that was blessed by some high-level speakers from a diverse range of professionals. The forum was well done.</p>
<p>But once again, I sat next to another young woman. Our conversation started off well enough — we even discovered we had worked across the hall from one another at a large firm where I had contracted in to write web content. </p>
<p>Oddly, as we discussed social media her mood turned more and more aloof and she did that thing I despise from Gen-Ys &#8230; typing away on her cell phone, not looking at me, and making bored conversation.</p>
<p>Excuse me! Look kid, I&#8217;ve done marketing for longer than you&#8217;ve been able to drive. At least say, &#8220;Excuse me &#8230; I have some work to catch up on.&#8221; It&#8217;s called manners. Try it sometime.</p>
<p>(Perhaps they thought I was hitting on them? Beats me — the big ring on my finger should have been a clue. Besides, bony and rude is not my style).</p>
<p>But aside from the rudeness, it was the utter arrogance or both experiences that hit me. Sorry if I am still learning and asking questions! How about being a professional and gracing me with your knowledge and wisdom? Don&#8217;t assume because I am in my 40s I do not &#8220;get it.&#8221; I certainly need to, in order to hold onto jobs today. </p>
<p>And I sure as hell know more about marketing and writing than you do, pumpkin.</p>
<p>So folks, let&#8217;s please show some courtesy to each other. Yes, we may on occasion compete with one another. But we are all in this together — to make a living and do the best work for our clients and companies.</p>
<p>The rise of the digital age should not mean decorum, manners and professional courtesy are dead. In fact, we need those traits more than ever if we are all to prosper.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 10:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true Everett!  Thanks for reading and for your comment!

Take Care,
Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Everett!  Thanks for reading and for your comment!</p>
<p>Take Care,<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Everett Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everett Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 20:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree Nick.  There does seem to be a clique of sorts when it comes to SEO.  I think we like to keep things secret so nobody can trump us, but in reality if we share our secrets we become more valuable to the community, our clients and the search engines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Nick.  There does seem to be a clique of sorts when it comes to SEO.  I think we like to keep things secret so nobody can trump us, but in reality if we share our secrets we become more valuable to the community, our clients and the search engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 11:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joseph,

Great questions!  Thanks for stopping by and bringing them up!

Take Care,
NIck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joseph,</p>
<p>Great questions!  Thanks for stopping by and bringing them up!</p>
<p>Take Care,<br />
NIck</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Shivell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Shivell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 19:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the problems with welcoming others into your circle is the number of &quot;bad apples&quot; in the industry. If you read a comment by one of these &quot;bad apples&quot;, do you comment on it? If so, what do you say? Obviously, the owner of the blog does not want anyone chasing away potential clients. Even if your comment can be helpful to the blog owner, assuming they are not one of the aforementioned &quot;bad apples&quot;, they may not see it that way. Going another way, do you want potential clients to know that you are associating with an unethical company?
When deciding who to network with, how do you tell the &quot;bad apples&quot; from the good ones, or the ones who simply don&#039;t yet know any better?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems with welcoming others into your circle is the number of &#8220;bad apples&#8221; in the industry. If you read a comment by one of these &#8220;bad apples&#8221;, do you comment on it? If so, what do you say? Obviously, the owner of the blog does not want anyone chasing away potential clients. Even if your comment can be helpful to the blog owner, assuming they are not one of the aforementioned &#8220;bad apples&#8221;, they may not see it that way. Going another way, do you want potential clients to know that you are associating with an unethical company?<br />
When deciding who to network with, how do you tell the &#8220;bad apples&#8221; from the good ones, or the ones who simply don&#8217;t yet know any better?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, couldn&#039;t agree with you more! WTH is &#039;up&#039; with some of these people? I can&#039;t count the number of times I&#039;ve got the &#039;cold shoulder&#039; from other SEO&#039;s. It is a very cliquey industry.

A recent poll by seoroundtable.com suggests that a lot of SEO people turn their noses up at the idea of certification based on set standards in the industry. Easy to dismiss if you&#039;re an established SEO, but what about new people trying to break into the industry?

I can only conclude that many are simply afraid of the competition from newcomers. I wish some of them would participate in helping SEO newbies achieve the same standard of excellence that they uphold so that businesses would be able to receive the same value across the board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, couldn&#8217;t agree with you more! WTH is &#8216;up&#8217; with some of these people? I can&#8217;t count the number of times I&#8217;ve got the &#8216;cold shoulder&#8217; from other SEO&#8217;s. It is a very cliquey industry.</p>
<p>A recent poll by seoroundtable.com suggests that a lot of SEO people turn their noses up at the idea of certification based on set standards in the industry. Easy to dismiss if you&#8217;re an established SEO, but what about new people trying to break into the industry?</p>
<p>I can only conclude that many are simply afraid of the competition from newcomers. I wish some of them would participate in helping SEO newbies achieve the same standard of excellence that they uphold so that businesses would be able to receive the same value across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 14:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manifo,

I&#039;d be happy to hear from you again on another blog post! Blogs are inherently social, so if I&#039;m not willing to let people comment and have a conversation, what&#039;s the point? Thanks for stopping by.

Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manifo,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to hear from you again on another blog post! Blogs are inherently social, so if I&#8217;m not willing to let people comment and have a conversation, what&#8217;s the point? Thanks for stopping by.</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Breaking into the SEO Clique – One Year Later</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaking into the SEO Clique – One Year Later</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 13:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Manifo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manifo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 11:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[o yes! i totally agree with you. I&#039;m a beginner in the SEO industry but unfortunately i&#039;ve already felt the hospitality of some SEO bloggers. I really tried not to spam, write relevant comments but sometimes i was not welcome on the site just because. I hope you wont do the same ;) We all are people with similar hobbies and knowledge needs. We should if not cooperate then at least understand each others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o yes! i totally agree with you. I&#8217;m a beginner in the SEO industry but unfortunately i&#8217;ve already felt the hospitality of some SEO bloggers. I really tried not to spam, write relevant comments but sometimes i was not welcome on the site just because. I hope you wont do the same <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimizationjournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  We all are people with similar hobbies and knowledge needs. We should if not cooperate then at least understand each others.</p>
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